You guys. It’s an exciting day in the World of Jadey and the World of Average Asexual. Why? Because I’ve made a friend! Plus, he’s ace! I know. We’re all shocked. Jadey knows how to make friends?!
It’s a very exciting day because he’s going to answer some questions about his asexual and aromantic identity for the sake of education and curiosity so we get to compare and contrast our ace experiences. I am so excited for this post. Personally I hadn’t met any ace boys up until this point in my life. The other ace people I know are female or AFAB non binary/gender nonconforming people. And we all know that there aren’t that many asexuals so anytime I get to talk to another ace person, let alone befriend them, is a very exciting day.
I’ve conjured up a handful of questions that I had my friend Nolan answer. I also answered the questions myself, and compared and contrasted some things I found interesting.
- How do you identify? (Gender, sexuality, pronouns, etc.) How long have you identified as ace/aro?
Nolan: I consider myself male (he/him) and am demiromantic (only feels romantic interest in people they have a pre-existing connection with) and apothisexual (repulsed by sexuality all together). A recurring theme when talking to people that are aro or ace is that once they learned it was a thing, there was no doubt in their mind that it perfectly summed up their orientation. It’s no different in my case; when I learned of the two spectrums a couple years ago, I felt an immense weight lifted from my shoulders, as I no longer needed to justify my differences and could feel comfortable in my own skin.
Jadey: I’m a cis female and use she/her pronouns. I’m ace (as we all know by now) and my romantic orientation is queer/unlabeled. I’ve identified as ace/queer for about two and a half years.
Unlike Nolan, there was no magical click in my brain when I heard about asexuality for the first time. I’ve heard a lot of aces say that when they heard the term they immediately knew that was the label for them. Just like my understanding of my queerness, it took a long time for me to really understand what labels fit me and how I identified. However, once I came out as queer and ace I became super comfortable in those labels and feel super happy about being out and ace!
- Do you feel that you fit into queer spaces?
Nolan: Yes and no. Almost all my friends are queer and I like learning about their experiences, but it’s something I’m relatively new to. As the leader of my college’s Neurodiversity Club, I’ve wanted to do a collaboration with the college’s Pride Club, seeing as our members are all queer. Since most of us aren’t active in the Pride Club, I think it’d be a perfect opportunity for us to explore the intersectionality of Neurodiversity and LGBT identities. In short, it’s a work-in-progress, but I look forward to establishing myself more in queer spaces.
Jadey: I do feel that I fit into queer spaces. I think my preference for women/gnc people definitely adds to my feeling of queerness. My aceness adds a layer different from the general queer population, but it feels queer nonetheless.
I also am in predominantly queer spaces. Yay! Gay people! Besides attending Pride Club, my major consists of a lot of queer people, and I surround myself with queerness in other aspects as well. I write about queerness and consume a lot of queer media. I do have some queer friends, but my closest friends are cishet. Thankfully they are all amazing allies and celebrate my queerness and are never afraid to make a gay joke when the opportunity presents itself.
- Do you feel that your gender impacted how you came to terms with your aceness? Do you feel that it was harder to come out/accept your aceness because of masculine stereotypes of being sexual?
Nolan: Honestly, no. I’ve been a non-conformist for all my life, and that extended to my avoidance of sexual topics or ideas before discovering asexuality. With the family and friends I came out to, it wasn’t a challenge convincing them I wanted to live a celibate life (that was clear), but rather that it was an identity in the same vein as being gay or transgender. As they saw it, asexuality is a lifestyle choice defined by restraint instead of an absence of sexual feelings, and it’s a point I always try to make when explaining asexuality that while I’m proud of it, it isn’t a choice I made for myself.
Jadey: (For the sake of this question I’ll be answering it with feminine stereotypes.) I don’t think my gender impacts how I came to terms with my sexuality. When I was figuring it out I knew of a lot of other queer people and women, so it never crossed my mind that there was some sort of stereotype of female sexuality I needed to uphold. I also ever internalized any societal expectations of women’s sexuality, so there weren’t any obstacles I had to face to be comfortable in my identity. If anything, my asexuality and queerness make me feel less feminine. And this is by no means a bad thing. There are simply feminine experiences that I don’t experience as a sapphic asexual.
I guess aces are just non-conformists. It seems that our gender didn’t impact our experiences with our sexuality and the both of us didn’t struggle with preconceived notions of how we should experience sexuality.
- Do you see yourself represented in the community (queer or ace specific)?
Nolan: I’d say so, especially as I meet more people from both communities. With asexuality there are a lot of variations, like demisexuality and cupiosexuality, and meeting more people has shed light on how many perspectives there are. Even so, when meeting someone from a different subset we still tend to see eye-to-eye on a lot of things, especially (cliché as it sounds) how nice non-sexual things are and that there’s too much emphasis on sexuality in today’s society. With the queer community I also feel well represented, with the intersectionality of neurodiversity and queerness being a consistent topic in the Neurodivergence Club since it’s something we can all bond over.
Jadey: I definitely see myself represented in the queer community largely due to my romantic orientation. There are less aces but there are still some. Plus, my existence allows other unlabeled aces to exist and know someone is like them!
There is definitely a niche understanding when meeting other ace people. It’s truly a feeling I can’t explain. Personally I feel quite a deep understanding and connection with other aces no matter how well I know them simply due to the fact that we both don’t experience sexual attraction, and there’s a language surrounding our identity a lot of other people, queer or straight, don’t get. I also definitely agree with Nolan that it’s easy to see yourself in other groups as well due to the intersectionality of my identity. I agree with a lot feminist discourse as well as queer ideology and those things can oftentimes go hand in hand.
- Do you feel that you can’t relate to other men or do you feel “othered” by your aceness? (In other words does your gender play into how you might feel isolated by asexuality?)
Nolan: It may not feel like it in college, but there’s plenty of allosexual men that don’t make a big deal of sexuality, and since those are the men I associate with the most, I tend not to feel ‘othered’ on that front. Where it does become an issue is with me being arospec; I’m demiromantic, with this making me feel alienated from guy-friends that have more to say than I do on relationships. Even so, this kind of dynamic isn’t exclusive to men, it’s just easier to compare my romantic orientation to other men and feel ‘othered’ in doing so than with my sexual orientation.
Jadey: (Once again I’ll be talking about relating to other women.) I do sometimes feel that I don’t relate to other women due to my aceness more so than my attraction to women. It’s easier to say “boyfriend or girlfriend” for example, to create space for me, rather than include asexuality in discussions about relationships and significant others which is a popular topic in society, but especially with my age group. However, most of the time I feel that I fit in, and when I don’t, I would say it is because of my aceness and not other aspects of my identity.
Wow, some differences here! It’s interesting how we both don’t feel super alienated by our identities. I feel like cishet/allo people might think we do, but turns out we don’t! I would also agree that the people I spend time with aren’t very consumed with sex and sexuality, so that does help me fit into spaces.
- Do you know other asexual men? (If you don’t, do you want to? Or does gender not matter when meeting/befriending other aces?)
Nolan: Not to my knowledge. I’d be thrilled to meet someone that was, since it could mean knowing someone with a similar outlook as mine, but I don’t think it could only happen with men. In fact, I have almost the same outlook on asexuality as some of the non-male asexuals I’ve met, so while it’d be exciting to meet another asexual man, I wouldn’t expect him to have the same perspective as mine. Overall, every asexual person has their own personality and experience, and I’ve learned not to expect anyone’s approach to asexuality to be predictable.
Jadey: I technically know one other ace guy (besides Nolan), but I didn’t know that he was ace until I graduated high school and we went our separate ways. So technically yes! But I definitely know a lot more female or non binary people who identify somewhere on the asexual spectrum. Gender doesn’t matter to me. I think it would be cool to be friends with more guys and ace guys specifically because it would be interesting to learn about their experience. However I’m happy to be friends with anyone no matter their gender or sexuality.
For the reader at home, it’s way more likely that women identify as asexual rather than men (this could be largely due to societal stereotypes of men being sexual, and the pressure they feel to uphold that. Booo toxic masculinity). The majority or asexual people I know are women, and the rest are trans or non binary. Because asexuality is such a vast experience, I know I wouldn’t be able to fully relate to any ace, but we would definitely have some commonalities.
- Is your asexuality intertwined with your aromantic identity? Was it harder to realize you were ace or aro?
Nolan: I wouldn’t say it was harder to realize, but it was harder to accept that I was aro. The idea of having a romantic relationship appeals to me, and I didn’t want to be arospec if it meant not being able to connect with other people on that level. The honest truth, though, is that my idea of a happy and fulfilling relationship is vastly different from most people’s; my idea of intimacy involves sharing life experiences and opening up to another, but I balk at the idea of love that seems shallow or possessive, hence my discomfort with sexuality and serial monogamy. Overall, I’d say my asexual and aromantic identities are closely interlinked, but they’re also very different from the other, with sex being something I’m averse to while the idea of romance captivates me.
Jadey: Since I’m not aromantic, I’ll talk about my allo identity and the confusion I’ve had with that. I will say that my asexuality and alloromantic identity are more connected than I initially thought. For a while I questioned if I was on the aro spectrum, and for a split second did consider my romantic orientation on the aro spectrum. Now I don’t think it is. I’ve questioned if I might be demiromantic, but I figured if I enter into a relationship and develop feelings after a deep connection has formed, then I’ll know. However, I do think that my sex-aversion affects what I consider romantic in a relationship. For example, many people consider kissing romantic, but that feels super sexual for me and therefore I don’t want to do it! For my case, it was harder for me to realize I was ace than that I liked women. I figured that out first, and after/a bit during, it was something I considered. Once I realized my identity was not straight, I had more space in my brain to consider being ace. That took a long time because I was confused. No one really sits you down to explain sexual attraction and libido and all the things, so I had to search the web for ages to try and figure out what those things meant in a way I understood. Once I was able to do that I could begin to understand that sexual attraction was something I didn’t experience, and that made me asexual. During this time I was also afraid of being wrong. I simply just didn’t want to insert myself into an oppressed community and realize I was wrong and leave. Obviously, you can jump in and out of the community, and consider a million and one labels and you’ll always be accepted. At the time it was just something I was quite concerned about.
Wow, I had a lot to say about that. This just proves that the ace experience is so complex and different and interesting!!